Property manager calls us out today, Sunday 10 am. Mainline sewer for a house. Not excited about working Sunday but you know what they say, "make hay while the sun shines." So 2 plumbers have been out there before us and they couldn't get it. Over 100 feet out from the front yard c/o and neither one of them could reach it.
Ok, so I have 600 feet of hose on the hydro jetter so I'm confident I'm going to reach. So when I get there, I get the rest of the story. It seems the line backed up a month ago and another plumber was able to get it open then but the manager didn't know how far out he was when he opened the line. But the mere fact that it was just cabled a month ago tells me it's roots and there back. Prior plumber probably did a mediocre job last time so it didn't take long for it to back up again. I know the problem is over 100 feet out. So I jet with the big hose and big trailer mounted jetter and I could feel it chew through a few spots but then I hit the "spot". I parked on it with the standard nozzle for a very long time, easlily 5 to 7 minutes without any results or movement at all, line burped a bit but it would not clear. Ran it at almost full pressure just under 4,000 psi.
Made the change to the warthog spinner nozzle, the ws for 1/2" hose. quickly ran back out to the stop point and parked on it just a couple inches back and let the nozzle do it's thing. About a minute goes by and I can see slight progress as the hose inches slowly in. 5 minutes later and we had chewed through about 6 feet of blockage and after that we immediately dropped into the city main in the street. You could clearly hear the line drain out and we could hear the echo of the nozzle as it went out into the city connection. We pulled back and jetted that spot about 4 times slowly going back through and into the city connection. Bad news was that the problem spot is in the street. He didn't want to run a camera just yet, trying to get a home warranty company to ok that first., but I told him, the blockage is in the street. not a good thing you need to diagnose it properly.
Just the same he was really happy. We cleared it when the other guys could not. We love that.
Mind you just the same it was definitely a difficult blockage. Even with our big machine, it was slow going. But it's nice to make the customer happy. He said, no messing around any more, give me your card and I'll call you first. Nice.
Mark Superjet Sewer and Drain Cleaning
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Thursday, July 20, 2017
How to Test Your Landscape Drains, Don't Ignore your Landscape Drains Just Because It's Not Raining
We have an amazing climate in here in Southern California that practically provides plants with year round growth. Unfortunately out of sight usually means out of mind. If your not seeing the water back up in your landscape drains, it's not a priority. Don't make that mistake. The longer roots and sediment sit in your pipe the harder it is to remove it. Especially roots. Roots get bigger and there will be a point where they damage your pipe to the point that cleaning is no longer an option and the only cure is to dig it up. Unfortunately if that is under concrete, it's going to be a big expense.
We just serviced a client where the roots were left to the point where they had torn the pipe apart and it is under concrete. Unfortunately the drains that this pipe serves are critical to draining the side of this person's house and preventing serious property damage. Their only alternative at this point is to dig up concrete.
Test your drains, it's easy. The outflow from your property is usually at the street at a core outlet in the curb. Starting at what you think is the closest drain to the outflow at the curb, test each drain with a hose at full volume for at least 3 to 4 minutes per drain and working back away from the street going back toward the back of your house. Make a map of what works and what does not. You will quickly find out what works and what does not. This will be invaluable in figuring out where your problem lies.
Many people tell me that the drains work but they are just slow. The water goes away in a day or so. What they don't realize is that the drains are not working. The pipe is empty at the start of the rain and acts as a reservoir. Also the pipe joints are usually not glued and this allows the water to seep out into the ground over time. This gives the impression that the line is draining. Many times it is not. If the water is not leaving your property at the curb outlet, your lines are not draining. Go to the curb outlet and verify and is it leaving as fast as it is going in?
If the drains need cleaning, I strongly recommend hydro jetting, it is the least likely to damage your thinwall plastic drain pipe and absolutely the most effective process to remove roots and sediment.
If your in our service area, give us a call. But first look us up online to see what people say about us.
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Wednesday, June 25, 2014
Landscape Drains and Area Drains Benefit from Hydro Jetting
The primary thing to keep in my when you are trying to clear problem area drains or landscape drains is that the culprit is usually a combination of three things in varying amounts.
The first is usually dirt. The drains usually occupy a low spot, if they were installed properly, and if the area around the drain is not protected or stabilized somehow by regulating the size of the material around the drain, you always end up with that material going into the drain, multiply that by10 - 15 years or more and you get a serious accumulation.
The second item is usually roots. Area or landscape drains are notorious for being installed at a lower quality standard. The majority of pipe joints we encounter with regard to landscape drains are not glued. The fact that they are simply press fitted together allows the joints to leak as they carry water to the outflow. That leak over time brings roots into the line through the joint, they grow and expand and many times the roots will deform the pipe. If the pipe has substantial dirt in it as well, now you have a mass of dirt with roots combined. This combination over years and years of accumulation, makes it pretty close to impossible to remove with a typical plumbers cable machine. The machine typically buries the cable into the dirt and many times it becomes stuck requiring a dig to get the cable out. If that happens to be under concrete, it's going to be expensive.
"You can not cable dirt." It just doesn't work.
Imagine using an electric drill, put any bit on it that you please, and start drilling into a 5 gallon bucket full of dirt. What do you think is going to happen? Nothing. Your going to move a little bit of dirt around but your certainly not going to remove the problem dirt.
Now, hit that same bucket of dirt with a firehose and what do you think is going to happen. Yes your right, no more dirt. The volume and pressure of the water will put the dirt into suspension in the water and flow it out of the bucket. Combine that with a rotating nozzle to cut roots and you begin to see the advantage hydro jetting has over running a cable.
The last item I would call "debris" and it usually ends up being chunks of something. I attached a couple of photographs to give you a "for instance."
The first is a very large amount of medium pebble rock that went into a customers landscape drains from around a koi pond. Some of it is visible here but we probably pulled out 15 to 20 lbs of pebble rock that had mixed in with dirt in a low spot in the line run. That could never have been removed with a cable machine.
The first is usually dirt. The drains usually occupy a low spot, if they were installed properly, and if the area around the drain is not protected or stabilized somehow by regulating the size of the material around the drain, you always end up with that material going into the drain, multiply that by10 - 15 years or more and you get a serious accumulation.
The second item is usually roots. Area or landscape drains are notorious for being installed at a lower quality standard. The majority of pipe joints we encounter with regard to landscape drains are not glued. The fact that they are simply press fitted together allows the joints to leak as they carry water to the outflow. That leak over time brings roots into the line through the joint, they grow and expand and many times the roots will deform the pipe. If the pipe has substantial dirt in it as well, now you have a mass of dirt with roots combined. This combination over years and years of accumulation, makes it pretty close to impossible to remove with a typical plumbers cable machine. The machine typically buries the cable into the dirt and many times it becomes stuck requiring a dig to get the cable out. If that happens to be under concrete, it's going to be expensive.
"You can not cable dirt." It just doesn't work.
Imagine using an electric drill, put any bit on it that you please, and start drilling into a 5 gallon bucket full of dirt. What do you think is going to happen? Nothing. Your going to move a little bit of dirt around but your certainly not going to remove the problem dirt.
Now, hit that same bucket of dirt with a firehose and what do you think is going to happen. Yes your right, no more dirt. The volume and pressure of the water will put the dirt into suspension in the water and flow it out of the bucket. Combine that with a rotating nozzle to cut roots and you begin to see the advantage hydro jetting has over running a cable.
The last item I would call "debris" and it usually ends up being chunks of something. I attached a couple of photographs to give you a "for instance."
The first is a very large amount of medium pebble rock that went into a customers landscape drains from around a koi pond. Some of it is visible here but we probably pulled out 15 to 20 lbs of pebble rock that had mixed in with dirt in a low spot in the line run. That could never have been removed with a cable machine.
Pebble rock removed from Landscape Drain with Hydro Jetting.
Grout material left in line by tile contractor after installing new backyard hardscape.
Note the large and small chunks of rocklike material removed with Hydro Jetting.
Close up of the hardened grout, note the half pipe shape clearly visible in the left rear piece.
With this type of material, the hydro jetting with high pressure water actually gets between the pipe wall and the grout and breaks it free to move. The water flows it out of the pipe. You could never remove this material with a cable machine.
Now let's be honest, there is no magic cure. Landscape drains are a very difficult type of problem because there are so many variables and landscape lines are generally not installed to code. For that same exact reason, many vendors will not service area drains.
Regardless of how effective our hydro jetting machine is, we have seen lines that could not be cleared for a number of reasons. Sometimes the pipes are no longer round from being crushed by a careless installer or deformed by root intrusion, or the layout and the use of T fittings instead of a swept turn will prevent you from getting through. Sometimes the roots are so heavy from so many years of neglect that it just isn't feasible to hydro jet and your better off replacing the line if the above ground hardscape allows it.
With all things being equal, Hydro jetting is by far a much more effective process at removing a variety of different types of debris.
Large root mass quickly chewed up by the warthog nozzle. Note the size of the roots as compared to the 1/2 inch I/D of the green hose.
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Thursday, February 18, 2010
Area and Landscape drain cleaning do's and don'ts
Ok, for those of you that aren't aware of it, there is a huge difference between standard plumbing drains and pipes that you find inside a building and the area or landscape drains that you typically find on the exterior. First of all, when your in the home improvement store, take a look at the plastic pipe that is used for exterior area drains. It is much thinner and more flexible than what you will find designed for code acceptable plumbing installations. Also you need to look at the fittings that are used in the area / landscape drains. You will find that hard ninety degree turn fittings are common. These two charectaristics are the kiss of death and make it very difficult to run a cable machine in an area drain line without punching a hole in the pipe. Its a catch 22, if you run a smaller machine that won't punch a hole, it's not big or powerful enough to do any good with the roots. If you run the monster machine, your going to punch right through the back of the thinner plastic on the ninety degree turn fitting and probably bury the cable into the dirt. We see this all the time. We ( SuperJet Sewer and Drain Cleaning ) are always getting called out to try and fix the mess someone else created. If the cable gets buried in the dirt your most likely not going to able to retrieve it without digging up the problem area and if that's under concrete it's going to be expensive.
Another wonderful thing I have noticed is that many of the exterior drain installers don't even use glue to put the pipe joints together. It's just a tight pressure fit. It's crazy. Small amounts of water leak through these joints and it is a dinner bell for roots. As soon as roots locate a source of water, a massive invasion is sure to follow. If your designing a landscape drainage system on a new house, make sure the plumber uses standard plumbing fixtures and pipe and this is the most important part; make sure they design the layout so that it can be cleaned. By that I mean that A leads to B and B leads to C and so on.
We got called out to a professional building that had an open air interior courtyard that was backed up and flooded from days of rain with no end to the weather. Roto Rooter had been out there for hours before us and wasnt able to diagnose the layout and told the owners that it would probably take a day more with a camera to figure things out. They couldn't determine which way the pipes were running so they could not find the outflow to attack the blockage. No wonder. We hydro jetted and quickly determined that one entire side of the courtyard ran from one side to the other. So when we went to side A and ran the line, the nozzle came up out of the ground at the other end at point B. When we went to B and ran the hose it came back up out of the ground at the other end back at A. What the contractor had done was run one long pipe run with a "T" fitting in the middle of the run for the outflow to drain the run. Absolutely crazy, you can't clean the line. A cable or a hydro jetting nozzle just runs past the outflow point because the pipe run isn't directing the machinery toward the outflow. It took a careful camera inspection and alot of clear flushing water to find the outflow point. The whole place was just more and more of the same. It was absolutely a nightmare and the layout was put into the ground without a chance in hell of anyone ever being able to clean it without extroidinary measures.
This brings me to my next point. We see this all the time as well. Pipe runs where the outflow from the run comes off in a T and no chance of directing line cleaning equipment into the outflow to open blockages. Take a look at a "T" area drain fitting at the home improvement store and you'll have a pretty good idea of what I'm talking about. If your installing a drain system, don't let your contractor do this to you.
The next thing to keep in mind is that the majority of the time the area drains are impacted with roots and dirt. Dirt is heavy and when it's wet it's like concrete. Run a cable into this and more often than not you will get stuck big time. Get ready to dig. A much better alternative is to Hydro Jet the debris out of the line. Hydro Jetting uses high pressure water at very high volumes to shred the vegetation and put all the dirt up into suspension in the water allowing it to be flushed out of the line. SuperJet uses full size jetters that achieve high pressure with high volume of water flow. The high volume is critical to flushing the debris out once it has been loosened. Alot of companies will say they have jetters and they do jetting and on and on. Be sharp and ask questions. You want a full size machine ie. 4,000 psi at 18 gallons per minute. The smaller cart type jetters don't produce the volume of flow needed to flush the heavy debris out of the pipe. And your better off with a company that specializes in drain cleaning with a hydro jetter. If it's all you do day in and day out, you get very good at it.
The other thing to keep in mind is that high pressure water will not harm your plastic pipes.
Its a pretty amazing process. Don't forget to check out our video on our website. We shred a chicken in 43 seconds flat. http://www.superjetdrains.com/ and if your in Southern California, give us a call.
Superjet Hydro Jetting Sewer and Drain Cleaning, were the ones that know what were doing.
Another wonderful thing I have noticed is that many of the exterior drain installers don't even use glue to put the pipe joints together. It's just a tight pressure fit. It's crazy. Small amounts of water leak through these joints and it is a dinner bell for roots. As soon as roots locate a source of water, a massive invasion is sure to follow. If your designing a landscape drainage system on a new house, make sure the plumber uses standard plumbing fixtures and pipe and this is the most important part; make sure they design the layout so that it can be cleaned. By that I mean that A leads to B and B leads to C and so on.
We got called out to a professional building that had an open air interior courtyard that was backed up and flooded from days of rain with no end to the weather. Roto Rooter had been out there for hours before us and wasnt able to diagnose the layout and told the owners that it would probably take a day more with a camera to figure things out. They couldn't determine which way the pipes were running so they could not find the outflow to attack the blockage. No wonder. We hydro jetted and quickly determined that one entire side of the courtyard ran from one side to the other. So when we went to side A and ran the line, the nozzle came up out of the ground at the other end at point B. When we went to B and ran the hose it came back up out of the ground at the other end back at A. What the contractor had done was run one long pipe run with a "T" fitting in the middle of the run for the outflow to drain the run. Absolutely crazy, you can't clean the line. A cable or a hydro jetting nozzle just runs past the outflow point because the pipe run isn't directing the machinery toward the outflow. It took a careful camera inspection and alot of clear flushing water to find the outflow point. The whole place was just more and more of the same. It was absolutely a nightmare and the layout was put into the ground without a chance in hell of anyone ever being able to clean it without extroidinary measures.
This brings me to my next point. We see this all the time as well. Pipe runs where the outflow from the run comes off in a T and no chance of directing line cleaning equipment into the outflow to open blockages. Take a look at a "T" area drain fitting at the home improvement store and you'll have a pretty good idea of what I'm talking about. If your installing a drain system, don't let your contractor do this to you.
The next thing to keep in mind is that the majority of the time the area drains are impacted with roots and dirt. Dirt is heavy and when it's wet it's like concrete. Run a cable into this and more often than not you will get stuck big time. Get ready to dig. A much better alternative is to Hydro Jet the debris out of the line. Hydro Jetting uses high pressure water at very high volumes to shred the vegetation and put all the dirt up into suspension in the water allowing it to be flushed out of the line. SuperJet uses full size jetters that achieve high pressure with high volume of water flow. The high volume is critical to flushing the debris out once it has been loosened. Alot of companies will say they have jetters and they do jetting and on and on. Be sharp and ask questions. You want a full size machine ie. 4,000 psi at 18 gallons per minute. The smaller cart type jetters don't produce the volume of flow needed to flush the heavy debris out of the pipe. And your better off with a company that specializes in drain cleaning with a hydro jetter. If it's all you do day in and day out, you get very good at it.
The other thing to keep in mind is that high pressure water will not harm your plastic pipes.
Its a pretty amazing process. Don't forget to check out our video on our website. We shred a chicken in 43 seconds flat. http://www.superjetdrains.com/ and if your in Southern California, give us a call.
Superjet Hydro Jetting Sewer and Drain Cleaning, were the ones that know what were doing.
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